The Ringer's Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Connor discuss the Cavs' putrid defensive effort against the Spurs (5:00), historically bad defenses to win titles (12:00), the Celtics taking over the 1-seed (21:00), Toronto's five-year plan (28:00), the 2011 Spurs' thought experiment (39:00), and De'Aaron Fox vs. Lonzo Ball (45:00). - - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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